Today I stumbled across a very interesting young man on his website.
God's Value System: ""
I like this guy. I like what he has to say.
But, alas, in the final analysis, it is all donkey dust.
What he says is that we can be successful in our relationships with others if we adopt God's value system. All well in good, I say, but the fact of the matter is that in the scriptures, **God can't get along with anyone!!!**
This is a well-intentioned presentation. I think the guy is probably sincere, and as wholesome as apple pie. But deluded.
Religion is not about successful relationships. It is about "weeding out" those who are not "to spec." Scripture compares the sinners to "chaff" that the wind drives away, and to dead branches to be burned.
God is, in the scriptures, **seething** with loathing, anger, hatred and violence.
So, enjoy his speech, but know this: God loathes you and will ultimately crush you under his heel, if the scriptures are to be believed.
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To wounded ego
You must go to Calvary and get a new heart before you can see whist this gentleman is talking about. To go to Calvary you must get off your high horse of ego and admit there might be some things you haven.t experienced or know yet. I prayed for you this morning.
Jerry, thanks for stopping by.
Maybe you could answer one question...
If I happen not to go to Calvary, what will God do to me?
And another question...
Out of the 20 billion or so people who have ever lived, how many of them will suffer God's wrath?
And the angels... a third rebelled, right?
How did God's relationship go with Adam and the antedelluvian world go?
How about with the Jews?
The nations?
What about the lukewarm churches?
What about Muslims? (Well, they're a pain in everyone's ass).
Gays?
Indigenous peoples around the world?
But, God likes you, right? If you endure to the end?
Are you a TULIP guy?
Oh, you left out the best part!
God's value system is sacrificial love for the benefit of others: it most looks like Jesus on the cross.
That is what sets my point against the vast majority of what you see being bandied about today.
Sorry you are so wounded. The "Church" has a habit of doing that to people.
-Darren
P.S. To see a church that is unlike the status quo: ThinkersAndBelievers.com
Darren, do you believe in everlasting conscious torment?
I believe we were created for relationship--both with God and others. I believe that death and hell are about experiencing that loss of relationship.
Thus, the worst hell I can imagine is forever loneliness--being created for relationship and not experiencing it.
So, to answer: no I don't--not in the traditional sense.
I listened to your song "Back When I Knew It All."
I like the lyrics. I know where you are coming from.
There is a profound lack of humility in people who believe they have everything all figured out.
>>>...God's value system is sacrificial love for the benefit of others: it most looks like Jesus on the cross...
Darren, scripturally speaking, Jesus' death was not an act of love for people (interposing between God and men) but rather obedience to God. The scriptures say that God was the one who loved the lost and gave his son.
Jesus, (who was just a man), grew to love his disciples as he grew in wisdom and stature. However, he couldn't stand being with them:
Mat 17:16 And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not cure him.
Mat 17:17 Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.
In fact, even now that he is "a compassionate high priest" he gets nauseous and vomits out believers who flag in fervency:
Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
So I'm afraid that scripturally speaking, Jesus is an example of someone who is pious, but not particularly patient.
In fact, most of his ministry involves hurling misery on the land from the sky in the form of plagues and famine, ecological poisoning and the like, as well as performing a holocaust/Shoa on almost everyone.
The Jesus of scripture is a heavenly terrorist, of the ilk of Bin Laden, only much more powerful, and a Jew burner like Hitler, only not content to just kill them.
>>>...There is a profound lack of humility in people who believe they have everything all figured out...
Hence, in all religious people, n'est-ce pas?
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