Monday, April 18, 2016

Future con artists?

Monday, April 4, 2016

Excellent article

This is an *excellent* entry in the regarding "holy spirit":

Wednesday, March 23, 2016

Here's a real Bible shocker!

Monday, March 21, 2016

Jim Bakker is a tool

Sunday, March 20, 2016

By any measure

Tuesday, March 15, 2016

The type of Joseph

Jesus never claimed to be God, though he was accused of claiming to be equal to God:

Joh_5:18  Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

There is a *huge* difference between claiming to be equal to someone/something and claiming to be that someone/something. In fact, claiming to be equal to someone/something is antithetical to claiming to *be* that one/thing.

I like to use the example/type of Joseph.

Joseph was nee the son of Jakob, a son of man. He had a dream in which the sun, moon and stars bowed down to him. These symbolized Jakob, Rachel and his eleven bros. For this he was "murdered" by his brothers. But God "raised him from among the dead" and exalted him to Pharaoh's right hand, making him equal to Pharaoh. In fact, Pharaoh's only role in Egypt was to decide what he himself had for lunch.

But Joseph never crossed the line to become Pharaoh.

So while Joseph's authority was equal to Pharaoh's in relation to the people he himself remained a loyal subject to the Pharaoh. So also Jesus is currently (temporarily) equal to God he has not crossed the line to become God himself but remains his loyal subject:

Joh_14:28  Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

So looking at the incident in John 5.

* Jesus offended by "working" on the seventh day of the week:

Joh 5:15  The man went off and told the Jews that it was Jesus who had made him well.
Joh 5:16  So the Jews began persecuting Jesus, because he kept doing such things on the Sabbath.

* the Jews wanted to kill him even more because he claimed to be above the Sabbath as God was:

Joh 5:17  But Jesus answered them, "My Father has been working until now, and I, too, am working."
Joh 5:18  So the Jews were trying all the harder to kill him, because he was not only breaking the Sabbath but was also calling God his own Father, thereby making himself equal to God.

* in a similar situation Jesus argues that had he claimed to be a god it would have been justified because all of the recipients of God's law were called "gods", yet he claimed only to be the "son of" God (a royal title of the Christ):

Joh 10:31  Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
Joh 10:32  Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:33  The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Joh 10:34  Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
Joh 10:35  If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Joh 10:36  Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

* he explained that he did not claim any intrinsic equality with God, only effective equality with God because God had invested him with divine authority:

Joh 5:19  Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
Joh 5:20  For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
Joh 5:21  For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
Joh 5:22  For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Joh 5:23  That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

So this all runs completely parallel to the experience of Joseph who was made equal to God but never was made to be God himself. So I must disagree with the OP because his claim to be equal to God was, scripturally speaking the claim for which the Jews tried to kill him, not any non-existent claim to be God himself, C. S. Lewis' misguided proverb notwithstanding.

"Eternally co-equal" is a dogma not taught in scripture, though an effective equality with God, ala Joseph with Pharaoh is.

It is amazing and bizarre that this "Shibboleth" is the acid test of "Orthodoxy" and constant theme of Christendom.

Friday, March 11, 2016

Putting God to the Lion Test